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Hi lua-l, I understand that: > s = 'hello there hi' > -- this > s:find('there') 7 11 > -- is the same as > s.find(s, 'there') 7 11 but what exactly is going on with: > -- this > s.find(s, 'there') 7 11 > -- vs > string.find(s, 'there') 7 11 ? Thanks, -- John